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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Dec 21st, 2020 18:29 1st Post
Follow this link to see my new training film for our camera club Zoom Meetings:  https://youtu.be/OIwnPKj6n2w

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Posted by chrisbet: Mon Dec 21st, 2020 19:07 2nd Post
Flying ants .... :lol:



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Posted by jk: Tue Dec 22nd, 2020 10:44 3rd Post
He has lived in Africa and is used to seeing flying ants and termites.
The marching ants are usually those that come to bite you or destroy your crops.

Always worth a watch.   Learnt..... on Windows .... Ctrl ' or on Mac .... Cmd '   Gives you the Grid.  I always do.....   View/Show/Grid.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jul 2nd, 2023 10:57 4th Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Vcc3oJhBk

Follow this link to see how Photoshop now using AI to to compose amazing images!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Jul 3rd, 2023 15:24 5th Post
You can have water in the desert with help from the new Generative Fill in Adobe Photoshop. This is using the Beta Version but it will be out soon.

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Posted by Eric: Mon Jul 3rd, 2023 19:28 6th Post
As we discussed this morning Graham, I am somewhat concerned about the motivation future photographers will have to get it right in the camera when they can make anything very special on a computer. In fairness it’s been like that since Photoshop came on the market. Like you I was in at the beginning with digital imaging and Photoshop editing. We learnt skills that would enable us to manually use the then available tools to modify images as the subject …..or client demanded. It’s therefore a little churlish to draw a point of difference between us doing it in 2hr and AI doing it in 2sec. And matching or exceeding our professional proficiency back in the day.

Nevertheless, I confess that when computers overtake one’s own manual skills, there is an element of feeling cheated. All those hours of practise, training, trial and error and application are somewhat cheapened. So forgive me if my initial response is somewhat cool.  

Beyond my personal affront at my skills redundancy lol, I think we need to consider the application for this sort of manipulation. I can see young things creating wonderful images for use in digital applications and graphic design projects but where we are competing / exhibiting with basic standard unadulterated photography in clubs and forums I do wonder how that will ever be considered a level playing field.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jul 4th, 2023 10:15 7th Post
I agree 100% Eric. The RPS and many camera clubs have now said NO to AI-Generated images, I just wonder how they will be able to tell with some of the images created by AI?



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Jul 4th, 2023 10:49 8th Post
I am 100% with you too - there is little skill in pressing a few buttons ( maybe some in knowing which buttons the press)  but then I am old fashioned.

Just like modern cars with all their electronics - it has deskilled people to their detriment.

I submitted an image to the RPS Exhibition 165 - didn't get shortlisted though :thumbsdown:

As to whether they can tell if an image has been edited then the EXIF gives a bit of an indicator - Software Adobe Photoshop 24.7 (20230628.m.2223 0770f83) (Windows) -  maybe they have AI that can tell - or even just look at google earth to see there is no lake there!!!

I am intrigued by the new Pixel phone that can "de-blur" images .....



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 4th, 2023 19:30 9th Post
chrisbet wrote:
I am 100% with you too - there is little skill in pressing a few buttons ( maybe some in knowing which buttons the press)  but then I am old fashioned.

Just like modern cars with all their electronics - it has deskilled people to their detriment.

I submitted an image to the RPS Exhibition 165 - didn't get shortlisted though :thumbsdown:

As to whether they can tell if an image has been edited then the EXIF gives a bit of an indicator - Software Adobe Photoshop 24.7 (20230628.m.2223 0770f83) (Windows) -  maybe they have AI that can tell - or even just look at google earth to see there is no lake there!!!

I am intrigued by the new Pixel phone that can "de-blur" images .....
I would be satisfied if my phone (network) would de-blur the coverage in our area.:whip:



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Jul 4th, 2023 21:00 10th Post
Eric wrote:
I would be satisfied if my phone (network) would de-blur the coverage in our area.:whip: You and me both! Our signal goes up and down like a yoyo. They are supposed to be putting a new mast up about 300 yards from our back garden (out of our sight) but I am not holding my breath!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jul 9th, 2023 10:29 11th Post
Chris yes there is no lake there but that picture could have been created with Photoshop several years ago but it would have taken several hours to create. Pictured below is a more normal example. The Highland Bull was walking towards me as I grabbed the photo and in my haste, I did not leave enough grass below him, this again could have been done with older Photoshop but this example took seconds to do. There are a few giveaways if you look carefully but those could be corrected very quickly with the normal clone stamp.

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several hard hours to do!



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Posted by Iain: Sun Jul 9th, 2023 13:00 12th Post
Hope you don't mind Graham, just over a 1min in PS beta.




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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Jul 9th, 2023 17:48 13th Post
Iain - that one looks more obviously altered - there is an almot straight demarcation of "fuzziness" in the foreground.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Jul 9th, 2023 17:48 14th Post
Looks good!



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Posted by Eric: Sun Jul 9th, 2023 20:19 15th Post
I’d move the cow.:lol:



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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Jul 9th, 2023 20:31 16th Post
Definitely the best solution :lol:



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Posted by Iain: Mon Jul 10th, 2023 09:41 17th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Iain - that one looks more obviously altered - there is an almot straight demarcation of "fuzziness" in the foreground. It was only 1mins work Chris. :lol:



Posted by chrisbet: Mon Jul 10th, 2023 19:54 18th Post
Iain wrote:
It was only 1mins work Chris. :lol: Lol - it would have been milliseconds for Graham to tip the camera down a touch or zoom out a bit.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 11th, 2023 10:59 19th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Lol - it would have been milliseconds for Graham to tip the camera down a touch or zoom out a bit. In hindsight I could have taken a lot of photos better…especially the grabshots. :lol:

More often than not it’s having the wrong lens on the camera at that moment. You have a choice of taking the photo with what you have to hand …or not.

At one time in my business promo literature I used the phrase “inside every photograph is a spectacular image waiting to get out”. It was aimed primarily at customers wanting to use their images in their literature, with me offering digital manipulation and editing to best advantage.
It did however equally apply to some of my own images, where some judicious cropping, distraction cloning helped lift the end product.

Confession: I did a new kitchen shoot many moons ago for a client and was booked for a half day. I got on very quickly because it was one of those locations that was unidirectional. Unfortunately there was a bleeding great clock on the wall and in plain sight from all the usable angles. When I got back to the studio and reviewed the images from start to finish, I noticed the clock hadn’t changed by the 4 hours that I was supposed to be there. So I did some digital clock winding.

I am not adverse to editing and manipulating images with software like Photoshop….it’s just that I like to do it rather than AI.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jul 11th, 2023 11:13 20th Post
Well done that one Eric was that Photoshop? Yes could have dipped the camera down but was standing in the road as cars were held up with other cows all over the place so it was very much a grab shot and Wendy shouted to get back in the car you are holding people up on a mountain road!



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jul 13th, 2023 09:18 21st Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Well done that one Eric was that Photoshop? Yes could have dipped the camera down but was standing in the road as cars were held up with other cows all over the place so it was very much a grab shot and Wendy shouted to get back in the car you are holding people up on a mountain road! Affinity Photo, Graham.

These ladies can interfere with our creative moments. :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jul 13th, 2023 16:04 22nd Post
Eric thanks again for your fun made me make my brain work with the all-new AI Photoshop 24.7 Beta I think it did a good job too, what do you think? The bit that amazed me is what a good job it did in the hole left by the moved cow, QED?

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Posted by Eric: Fri Jul 14th, 2023 12:40 23rd Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Eric thanks again for your fun made me make my brain work with the all-new AI Photoshop 24.7 Beta I think it did a good job too, what do you think? The bit that amazed me is what a good job it did in the hole left by the moved cow, QED?

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It’s done a better job than mine, Graham. In fairness I didn’t do the best job I could have. I should have taken the feather off the clone tool to get clean/sharp cloning in the ‘hole’ area. As it only took me about 20mins it’s not surprising it was not perfect. That said Photoshop achieving this in a few seconds is very impressive. Certainly worth using in these sort of situations ….where you are improving your own photographs.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jul 14th, 2023 16:42 24th Post
Thanks again for that Eric made me try having a go 1st time with the new AI Photoshop Beta version 24.7 as is seen it does a good job and did not take even me too long to learn. This was the first try with the moving cow to improve the photo, all done very fast!! As stated could be done years ago with PS but it would take a lot more skill and time.



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jul 14th, 2023 16:48 25th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Thanks again for that Eric made me try having a go 1st time with the new AI Photoshop Beta version 24.7 as is seen it does a good job and did not take even me too long to learn. This was the first try with the moving cow to improve the photo, all done very fast!! As stated could be done years ago with PS but it would take a lot more skill and time. I notice we are not alone in our concern over the takeover by AI.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66200334


While there is a world of difference between total replacement of film actors and refining our own photos, it has the potential for a slippy slope.



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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Jul 14th, 2023 17:54 26th Post
Every wedge has a thin end!



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Posted by Eric: Sat Jul 15th, 2023 10:51 27th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Every wedge has a thin end! I used to call a bloke who worked alongside me years ago…”the wedge”. 

When asked why I called him that, I pointed out the wedge was one of the “simplest tools known to man”. :devil:

Someone had to explain that to him.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jul 19th, 2023 21:46 28th Post
Swiss Mountain Railway is there any A1 here? See if you can spot it!!!

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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 07:51 29th Post
Hmm - yes, I don't think the trees in the foreground are consistent with the terrain, I am guessing that the ground is too poor to support that height of tree!



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 09:35 30th Post
Well done Chris but there are some on top of the mountain that were not planted by me. I also made the stream below the bridge over the railway wider and added water. It all took a few quick moments, their new A1 features are very good and will save a lot of time, but some are worried about it is no longer photography.



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Posted by Eric: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 14:49 31st Post
I don’t like the grassy area to the left of the chalet. The contour lines seem to end abruptly unlike the lines on the other bank. o.O



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Posted by Iain: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 15:06 32nd Post
The AI makes things easy as long as people don't abuse it ability.



Posted by Graham Whistler: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 16:40 33rd Post
I should have put this up and is the Nikon Photo as shot before adding new extra material on the bottom.

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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 20:30 34th Post
Photography is a form of visual art - making images, does it matter whether the artist is using a brush or AI to create the piece?



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Posted by chrisbet: Thu Jul 20th, 2023 20:32 35th Post
Eric wrote:
I don’t like the grassy area to the left of the chalet. The contour lines seem to end abruptly unlike the lines on the other bank. o.O The sheep only wander that far :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jul 21st, 2023 09:53 36th Post
Chris you have it, the photo may only be used in my local camera club in Gosport for a monthly comp and my added bits were only perhaps added to improve the composition. After all, artists do it all time, are we not in a way photo artists creating an interesting picture?



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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Jul 21st, 2023 14:05 37th Post
I think we make images for 2 main reasons -

1. As an accurate record of something, and
2. As a pleasing image.

They are not mutually exclusive reasons but I would say that in case 1 it is less appropriate to use AI (unless you want to deceive!), in case 2 I think it is no holds barred!



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Posted by Eric: Fri Jul 21st, 2023 19:32 38th Post
chrisbet wrote:
The sheep only wander that far :lol: Sorry but having now seen the ‘before’ image I don’t think the AI did a good job of that specific area I mentioned. 

My eye was immediately drawn to the sharp demarcation between the grass and contoured surface…not seen else where in the image.

If I had been doing that manually I would have done something more to minimise the contrast between the two areas.


And…being a complete anorak, there is a repeat pattern in that added area….





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Posted by chrisbet: Fri Jul 21st, 2023 21:34 39th Post
Hehehe - you missed 2 more .....


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Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Jul 21st, 2023 23:07 40th Post
Yes you are right it would need some clone tooling to clean it up. Now I have had several more goes with other photos it is a good tool but far from perfect and more work is needed if you are going to use the photo in a club comp. Also, this is the Bata copy let's see when they publish the final published version.



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Posted by novicius: Sat Jul 22nd, 2023 08:23 41st Post
I am a Documentary photog. and altho` oftentimes I have been grumbling about " that branch" being in the way, and tempted to remove it hardhandedly,instead using PC Nikkors ( I`ve got them All ) yet ,I am, looking favourably upon the new tech., however, were I still on the job, I would at all times have a camera loaded with color-slide, as I am worried that one day,the courts would demand to see evidence that the submitted photographic evidence is accurate,and as we all know, colorslide can not be fiddled with.



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Posted by Eric: Sat Jul 22nd, 2023 20:20 42nd Post
chrisbet wrote:
Hehehe - you missed 2 more .....


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Posted by Eric: Sat Jul 22nd, 2023 21:13 43rd Post
novicius wrote:
I am a Documentary photog. and altho` oftentimes I have been grumbling about " that branch" being in the way, and tempted to remove it hardhandedly,instead using PC Nikkors ( I`ve got them All ) yet ,I am, looking favourably upon the new tech., however, were I still on the job, I would at all times have a camera loaded with color-slide, as I am worried that one day,the courts would demand to see evidence that the submitted photographic evidence is accurate,and as we all know, colorslide can not be fiddled with. That’s a fair point. A number of photographic occupations are equally constrained to ‘leave the captured images unaltered’.

As a commercial photographer I was often required to make the customers product look as good as possible….quite the opposite scenario …and a not insignificant challenge in some cases. Lol


One customer, who made stainless steel packaging machinery, required me to create brochures of their 10metre packing lines which were sitting on a factory floor (often still being worked on by employees) and to exclude the workshop benches, girlie calendars, racking, people, tools and electric cabling…not to mention ‘reglazing’ the Perspex guards/screens which were ‘see through’ … so as to retain their transparency!

The vast majority of the work to realise their needs was the digital editing of the original photos. Many hours work.  

I would argue that such specific detailed alterations would be beyond AI in its current form. :devil:



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Posted by Iain: Sun Jul 23rd, 2023 10:19 44th Post
I think your right Eric, changes like that would still need a lot of human imput.



Posted by Iain: Sun Jul 23rd, 2023 10:19 45th Post
I think your right Eric, changes like that would still need a lot of human imput.



Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 12:04 46th Post
Eric wrote:
That’s a fair point. A number of photographic occupations are equally constrained to ‘leave the captured images unaltered’.

As a commercial photographer I was often required to make the customers product look as good as possible….quite the opposite scenario …and a not insignificant challenge in some cases. Lol


One customer, who made stainless steel packaging machinery, required me to create brochures of their 10metre packing lines which were sitting on a factory floor (often still being worked on by employees) and to exclude the workshop benches, girlie calendars, racking, people, tools and electric cabling…not to mention ‘reglazing’ the Perspex guards/screens which were ‘see through’ … so as to retain their transparency!

The vast majority of the work to realise their needs was the digital editing of the original photos. Many hours work.  

I would argue that such specific detailed alterations would be beyond AI in its current form. :devil:
Byway of an example I trawled through my old files.

in the early years I took the photos but as the young sons of the owner came into the business they wanted to take their own photographs (to save money).

This is the sort of photo they sent…

(Taken on a Canon :thumbsdown:)



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 12:05 47th Post
Eric wrote:
Byway of an example I trawled through my old files.

in the early years I took the photos but as the young sons of the owner came into the business they wanted to take their own photographs (to save money).

This is the sort of photo they sent…




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This was the sort of image they wanted (part edited version - spot the unedited bits) ….



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AI would not be intelligent enough to know which bits were part of the machine and to include them….and which were background detritus and to exclude them



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 12:26 48th Post
Here is an example of a machine with macrolon guards added back after reflections and see through detail removed. The image is on a layer in  Photoshop so any background can be added ….and the image will show correctly through the guards….




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Again…AI would struggle with the level of masking needed to achieve this detail.



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Posted by chrisbet: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 13:03 49th Post
I think AI is not actually in any way "intelligent" - it seems to me that it takes percentagee guesses based on what it already knows and applies them in a way that makes sense to the programmer that wrote the software. So the end result is only as good as the combination of those things, it will only get better if the end user gives feedback.



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Posted by Eric: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 14:06 50th Post
chrisbet wrote:
I think AI is not actually in any way "intelligent" - it seems to me that it takes percentagee guesses based on what it already knows and applies them in a way that makes sense to the programmer that wrote the software. So the end result is only as good as the combination of those things, it will only get better if the end user gives feedback. I was having a chat with Graham the other day about photo insertion. I am sure Graham will post examples of his volcano. He was trying to add an eruption to his photograph of an extinct/dormant volcano. The offerings were quite pathetic apparently ….more like a firework coming out of the top. Haha

It however raised an issue…where does Photoshop get its images? Off the internet of course. So when you ask it to create a particular scene…..it goes and finds one. If you don’t like it you tell it to find a better one….and it does it. You then ask it to add a new feature (eg a highland cow) ….and it finds one…ad nauseum.

The point is…these aren’t your photos. You may be creating YOUR artwork but using OTHERS photos by proxy. :no:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 21:58 51st Post
This was slightly better 2nd time around but Mt Doom N Zealand was just plain dormant when photographed (Nikon D300)

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Jul 25th, 2023 22:03 52nd Post
AI did a bit better: this was a street in India and dry so I asked the new AI to make it look like there had been some rain and the road should be wet with suitable reflections. Took only 2 mins and no extra work has been done on this.

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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jul 26th, 2023 11:43 53rd Post
Oh dear - not convinced by either of those :thumbsdown:



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Posted by chrisbet: Wed Jul 26th, 2023 12:26 54th Post
Lol - 5 mins using nothing but copy & paste in GIMP -



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Wed Jul 26th, 2023 12:40 55th Post
Yes Chris but it has been interesting to try to see what it can do. It took 5 goes to get the Mt Doom and I agree even this is not that realistic.



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Sep 2nd, 2023 18:26 56th Post
These are two images I have created in new Photoshop AI and generated them on my computer on a white empty canvas. Each image was generated from nothing in less than 10 mins! They are NOT photographs!

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Sep 3rd, 2023 14:34 57th Post
This may shock some of you I promise that this is NOT my photo. Zero blank canvas in Photoshop Beta A1 and asked it to generate a Goldfinch in wood. This came up in 15 seconds as a high-res file!!!

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Posted by Eric: Sun Sep 3rd, 2023 16:02 58th Post
Graham
I think you are being too kind to AI ( or A’up as we say in Yorkshire)

I consider that goldfinch to be way inferior to the images you, Jeff, Iain and dare I say, myself produce from a camera, long lens/close location and good lighting. There is no feather detail. It like someone over worked noise reduction creating a smudged effect. 
The branch is good though!:lol:


Let’s be serious for a moment.

Where is that image coming from? A stock of royalty free? images at Adobe or in AI’s back pocket or is it seriously accessing google to find out what a goldfinch is and then creating it’s own image to approximate what it believes is a ‘goldfinch in a wood’?  

I asked Siri to find me some “photographs of goldfinches” it produced these eight. When asked for more it gave another different 8….I didn’t spend more than the time to ask Siri but I bet there will be thousands of options .




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So I am guessing AI is just having a quick word with his/her/they mate Siri……for something to chuck up on the screen.

Very clever and useful if you haven’t got a camera or any interest in taking photos yourself. But is it photography?


As I said to you when we spoke this morning, were I still in the graphic design business creating brochures, catalogues, adverts and flyers, then I dare say being able to quickly & cheaply conjure up an exotic image for a client that would take hours manually, would be an advantage. I can see modern graphic designers and digital imagers jumping at this feature. But it’s not for me. 

Were I to delegate responsibility for image selection/creation to a third person (let alone a robot) I would very soon lose interest in taking photos and sell my equipment!


When we spoke about your sea shore image I said that the figure and the strange shaped dog? were at odds with the contrast of the rest of the image. I am also bemused why AI has chosen a couple walking INTO the sea.

So it’s quick and it might fool a lot of people out there but to me as a photographer it’s not quite realistic.

Sorry …..nice try AI, but no cigar.



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Posted by Iain: Mon Sep 4th, 2023 15:34 59th Post
I think what Eric says is right, they are good but not yet great.

I had a red kite on a post and asked AI to put it in the woods, it took 8 images before I got one that I thought was ok but not good enough.



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Daguerreotypes weren't much cop either .......



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Posted by Eric: Mon Sep 4th, 2023 22:16 61st Post
Iain wrote:
I think what Eric says is right, they are good but not yet great.

I had a red kite on a post and asked AI to put it in the woods, it took 8 images before I got one that I thought was ok but not good enough.
Iain….after looking more closely at the goldfinch image with Mike (my bird watching buddy) he raised an observation that I missed. He said the tail is too long for a Goldfinch (European or American). He also thought the eye ring was wrong. His comment was “it’s almost a composite of several birds”.

This revelation makes me now wonder whether AI is not just grabbing a web picture but actually looking at all sorts of information (paintings, drawings old and new) and creating its interpretation of a Goldfinch.

I had wondered if the smudging effect was AI taking a very low res image, then using processing to control ‘scale up artefacts’ on the file to get the large file size Graham got.

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Posted by Iain: Tue Sep 5th, 2023 09:57 62nd Post
Yes he’s right Eric, at first glance I didn’t notice it but looking at it again it seems to have added some extras for a new species of gold finch. :lol:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Sep 5th, 2023 10:37 63rd Post
Sent this photo with AI version to Clive, he is photographer friend FRPS and very good with Photoshop has taught it for years, his comments:  Thanks for the comparison. Your image is far superior! There’s hope for homo sapiens yet!

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Posted by Eric: Tue Sep 5th, 2023 11:32 64th Post
Graham 
I think that goldfinch image comparison should be included in your presentation to the camera club. 

It shows clearly how far AI has to improve before it can replace a photographer!



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Posted by Iain: Tue Sep 5th, 2023 20:29 65th Post
I was thinking the very same thing.



Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Sep 24th, 2023 13:21 66th Post
We are in a villa near Gaillac in South France near the river Tarn for 2 weeks holiday. We travelled down by car and stayed in Pierre Buffiere but had to very quickly remove some cars in new Photoshop AI so that we could park in front of our over-night hotel.

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Posted by chrisbet: Sun Sep 24th, 2023 15:39 67th Post
Des voitures qui disparaissent, c'est bien ! Passe de bonnes vacances.



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Posted by Eric: Sun Sep 24th, 2023 17:11 68th Post
We decided to give France a miss this autumn and take the caravan to God’s Own County for a few days.

I also thought it wise to avoid attracting the attention of the Tyke Thrift Police by showing extravagant camera purchases when out of their jurisdiction.

 So I left my long lenses at home. Well let’s face it, the weather forecast was five days of wind and rain with most activities indoors (getting my moneys worth out of NT and EH subscriptions) so why would I need long lenses? I even wondered if I should just take the iPhone.

Pitched the caravan facing a rough pasture. And was greeted by the sight of a lovely barn owl quartering the said pasture.

A guy in the next caravan spotted it and was trying to capture images with his Nikon D3200 and 500mm lens. He confessed his inexperience, so I waded in with some help. Myself?  I was limited to 100mm. So short of actually bumping into the owl I had no chance of any images of worth. 

After 2 evening with this owl grabbing half the voles in Yorkshire neither of us had secured anything decent. 

That’s when I noticed him correcting the focus on the lens barrel after the auto focus acquired beep. Asked why, he said he didn’t think the image was sharp enough. I discovered he hadn’t adjusted the eye piece diopter to his eyes!!

By the 3rd night he was getting good static shots when the bird stopped swooping about but was having problems holding the flying bird in view.

That’s when the penny dropped…DX 1.4x on 500mm = 700mm and little chance of keeping flying bird in frame. 

By the 5th night (it rained on the 4th) we had got his hunting pattern sussed so went down the field to a secluded corner and waited.

Getting savaged by Yorkshire gnats was a small price to pay for a good shot of a hunting owl.


The little feathery b***ard had different ideas and decided to grab the vole 3-4metres in front my caravan!! The wife got a ‘cracking view’ while preparing dinner.

This is all I got (massive crop) with 100mm across the other side of the field….



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Lots of lessons here….expect the unexpected, take all your lenses, sit and wait for the subject to come closer to you, don’t stand in hedgerow at dusk without mossie protection….leave it to the experts.

This is the full frame shot ( at 12,800 iso)  to get an idea of the crop quality loss ….



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Posted by Eric: Sun Sep 24th, 2023 17:45 69th Post
chrisbet wrote:
Des voitures qui disparaissent, c'est bien ! Passe de bonnes vacances. I was going to write my post in Tyke but that would be too weird.

My favourite Tike phrase…..  “Tintintin”  ( which interprets as “It is not in the metal receptacle ” )



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Posted by Eric: Sun Sep 24th, 2023 17:49 70th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
We are in a villa near Gaillac in South France near the river Tarn for 2 weeks holiday. We travelled down by car and stayed in Pierre Buffiere but had to very quickly remove some cars in new Photoshop AI so that we could park in front of our over-night hotel.

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Was Wendy trying to hail a cab…. before you AIed all them too? :lol:



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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sun Sep 24th, 2023 19:20 71st Post
Eric sad about the owl but you did well with just your standard lens, shame about the weather. We had rain on way down but sun out today and with a heated pool and cows up the road we are all set!

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Tue Sep 26th, 2023 17:26 72nd Post
This is field close to Salvagnac our little local town 2k from our rented villa.

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Posted by Iain: Thu Sep 28th, 2023 12:23 73rd Post
Eric wrote:
We decided to give France a miss this autumn and take the caravan to God’s Own County for a few days.

I also thought it wise to avoid attracting the attention of the Tyke Thrift Police by showing extravagant camera purchases when out of their jurisdiction.

 So I left my long lenses at home. Well let’s face it, the weather forecast was five days of wind and rain with most activities indoors (getting my moneys worth out of NT and EH subscriptions) so why would I need long lenses? I even wondered if I should just take the iPhone.

Pitched the caravan facing a rough pasture. And was greeted by the sight of a lovely barn owl quartering the said pasture.

A guy in the next caravan spotted it and was trying to capture images with his Nikon D3200 and 500mm lens. He confessed his inexperience, so I waded in with some help. Myself?  I was limited to 100mm. So short of actually bumping into the owl I had no chance of any images of worth. 

After 2 evening with this owl grabbing half the voles in Yorkshire neither of us had secured anything decent. 

That’s when I noticed him correcting the focus on the lens barrel after the auto focus acquired beep. Asked why, he said he didn’t think the image was sharp enough. I discovered he hadn’t adjusted the eye piece diopter to his eyes!!

By the 3rd night he was getting good static shots when the bird stopped swooping about but was having problems holding the flying bird in view.

That’s when the penny dropped…DX 1.4x on 500mm = 700mm and little chance of keeping flying bird in frame. 

By the 5th night (it rained on the 4th) we had got his hunting pattern sussed so went down the field to a secluded corner and waited.

Getting savaged by Yorkshire gnats was a small price to pay for a good shot of a hunting owl.


The little feathery b***ard had different ideas and decided to grab the vole 3-4metres in front my caravan!! The wife got a ‘cracking view’ while preparing dinner.

This is all I got (massive crop) with 100mm across the other side of the field….



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Lots of lessons here….expect the unexpected, take all your lenses, sit and wait for the subject to come closer to you, don’t stand in hedgerow at dusk without mossie protection….leave it to the experts.

This is the full frame shot ( at 12,800 iso)  to get an idea of the crop quality loss ….



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I never go anywhere with out a longish lens. I've got a Tampon 18-300 as a walk around lens and at a push I can put the A1 into crop mode giving me 21mp and FOV of 450mm



Posted by chrisbet: Thu Sep 28th, 2023 17:25 74th Post
An 18 to 300mm tampon?????



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Posted by Iain: Thu Sep 28th, 2023 20:11 75th Post
chrisbet wrote:
An 18 to 300mm tampon????? Predictive sex I mean text sticks again. :lol:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Fri Sep 29th, 2023 17:15 76th Post
Rabastens on the River Tarn (some cars removed in Photoshop AI)

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Posted by Graham Whistler: Sat Sep 30th, 2023 11:05 77th Post
View from our rented villa in Salvagnac S France this morning as shot above and below with added sky from a previous morning added in Photoshop AI

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Posted by Eric: Sat Sep 30th, 2023 15:03 78th Post
Iain wrote:
Predictive sex I mean text sticks again. :lol: A builder friend of mine (sadly passed away far too early) once made a real howler.

Talking to a lady customer about the finishing/decoration that she was planning in the new extension he had just built was heard to say……

” would you like a dildo?” The woman’s eyes went out on stalks, but John continued “ a lot of people go in for a dildos now “. The woman was silent but red faced by now. “ you can have it rubbed down and stained or painted to match the skirting “.  The woman somewhat relieved said “ you mean a dado Mr P”.

Poor old John ….he couldn’t blame predictive text!



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Posted by Eric: Sat Sep 30th, 2023 15:08 79th Post
Graham Whistler wrote:
Rabastens on the River Tarn (some cars removed in Photoshop AI)

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Nice shots Graham
Could you not get AI to add a group of pétanque players in the Avenue sidewalk?



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Posted by Iain: Sat Sep 30th, 2023 17:33 80th Post
Eric wrote:
A builder friend of mine (sadly passed away far too early) once made a real howler.

Talking to a lady customer about the finishing/decoration that she was planning in the new extension he had just built was heard to say……

” would you like a dildo?” The woman’s eyes went out on stalks, but John continued “ a lot of people go in for a dildos now “. The woman was silent but red faced by now. “ you can have it rubbed down and stained or painted to match the skirting “.  The woman somewhat relieved said “ you mean a dado Mr P”.

Poor old John ….he couldn’t blame predictive text!
:lol::lol:



Posted by Graham Whistler: Mon Oct 2nd, 2023 10:37 81st Post
We had evening meal in 11th Cent Castel-de-Montmiral last night.  These pixs taken at dusk on my iPhone. Very interesting old town with narow & steep streets. 16 km from our rented villa in Salvanac.

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